Saturday, 25 February 2017

ATHEIST v CATHOLIC?

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Pontiff says some Catholics should say 'my life is not Christian, I don't pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, [I lead] a double life'




Since his election in 2013, the pope has often told Catholics to practice what their religion preaches EPA
Pope Francis has said it is better to be an atheist than one of "many" Catholics he said lead a hypocritical double life. 

Delivering another criticism of some members of his own Church, the pontiff said: It is a scandal to say one thing and do another. That is a double life.
"There are those who say 'I am very Catholic, I always go to Mass, I belong to this and that association'," the head of the 1.2 billion-member Roman Catholic Church said, according to a Vatican Radio transcript. I don't pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, I lead a double life'."
"There are many Catholics who are like this and they cause scandal," he said. "How many times have we all heard people say 'if that person is a Catholic, it is better to be an atheist'."
Since his election in 2013, the pope has often told Catholics, both priests and lay people, to practice what their religion preaches. 
In his often impromptu sermons, he has condemned sexual abuse of children by priests as being tantamount to a "Satanic Mass", said Catholics in the mafia excommunicate themselves, and told his own cardinals to not act as if they were "princes".

Less than two months after his election, he said Christians should see atheists as good people if they do good.

PAT SAYS:

In stating the above Pope Francis is hitting the nail on the head.

Being a CHRISTIAN is a very different thing than being a ROMAN CATHOLIC.

Jesus said: "IT IS BY THEIR FRUITS THAT YE SHALL KNOW THEM".

Is covering up for abusing bishops, priests and religious a Christian thing to do?

Is the wheeling and dealing of the Vatican Bank a Christian thing to do?

Is the toleration of the promiscuous gay seminarians of Maynooth a Christian thing to do?

Is ordaining Grindr deacons who will continue on as before a Christian thing to do?

Is making men who do not believe or pray into bishops a Christian thing to do?

Is backing the clergy and Hierarchy no matter what a Christian thing to do?

Pope Francis is right. A good atheist is a million times better than being a bad or a hypocritical Catholic.


WHO IS THIS MAN IN THE PICTURE ???

Who is this man in the picture at Cardinal Connell's funeral yesterday? He is wearing an alb but no stole? 




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Friday, 24 February 2017

DESMOND CONNELL - ABUSE COVER UPPER"

PAT SAYS:


Desmond Connell was A BLIND, UNTHINKING AND UNQUESTIONING SUPPORTER OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT.

He put the Church's so called REPUTATION before the WELFARE OF CHILDREN.

When it came to the Roman Catholic Church he was like the NAZIS - he did all he did in obedience to HIS REICH.

He should have been given a very quiet funeral instead of being lauded by the CHURCH HIERARCHY in Dublin's Pro Cathedral this morning.

A God of TOTAL JUSTICE would have to send him to Hell.

A God who mixes MERCY with JUSTICE may find some other way of dealing with him ???

The following from thejournal.ie shows the strength of feeling about him among many Irish people:

FROM THEJOURNAL.IE

Former Archbishop of Dublin Desmond Connell dies aged 90

He died after a long illness.

Image: Graham Hughes/RollingNews.ie

FORMER ARCHBISHOP OF Dublin Desmond Connell has died after a long illness.

He was 90.

Connell was Archbishop of Dublin from to 1988 until 2004 and Cardinal since 2001.
Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said that Cardinal Connell, who had been ill for some time, passed away peacefully during the night in his sleep.
Born in Dublin, he was educated at St Peter’s National School in Phibsboro and Belvedere College before studying for the priesthood at Holy Cross College, Clonliffe. He was ordained in 1951, taking up a teaching role in UCD.
He was appointed Archbishop of Dublin by the Holy See in 1988 and made a Cardinal-Priest by Pope John Paul II in 2001.
His handling of clerical sexual abuse cases was widely criticised, leading to his replacement by Diarmuid Martin in 2004.

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  • Brian LehaneTue 9:24 AM #
    His silence on paedophilia in the church was deafening
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    • Barry SomersTue 9:28 AM #
      @Brian Lehane: As is the Vatican’s failure to take meaningful actions and to co-operate with abuse investigations,
      Lets not forget that the Vatican have refused to provide records to Ireland, the UN and Australia as part of investigations into abuse.
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    • OpenBordersTue 10:08 AM #
      He should have spent his final years in prison.
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    • Seán LynchTue 10:09 AM #
      Yet this Roman cult still has huge influence on our education system and can legally discriminate against where 4 year olds can attend school. Vile.
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    • canuckandgoTue 10:20 AM #
      Something to finally agree with tariq/open borders on!!!
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    • @Brian Lehane: So true.
      But he (& the Church) had a lot going on behind the scene from the mid-80s:
      In 1987 the Catholic Church in Ireland began to insure itself against child abuse claims, even though the Catholic Church itself has been aware of child abuse in its own ranks sinc the 4th. century.
      Legal advice obtained by the Archdiocese of Dublin was circulated to every bishop in Ireland to help dioceses negotiate insurance policies to protect them from child sex abuse claims. Access to “privileged” documents, including those relating to insurance matters, has formed the central plank in Cardinal Desmond Connell’s unprecedented legal row with a state inquiry (Murphy Commission) investigating the handling of complaints in the diocese of Dublin.
      Cardinal Connell claimed that certain documents are confidential and subject to solicitor-client privilege that can only be waived by him.
      During 1988, the year Cardinal Connell was appointed as Archbishop of Dublin, diocesan insurer’s Church & General sought and obtained permission from the the Dublin diocese to circulate the opinion of its lawyers among the country’s bishops. The legal advice, obtained on behalf of Cardinal Connell’s predecessor Archbishop Kevin McNamara, formed the basis for a dedicated clerical sex abuse insurance policy. Within two years, all dioceses in Ireland had insured themselves against abuse claims, despite later Church claims that they had no knowledge of the fact of, or extent of, errant priests. These abuse policies later collapsed in 1995, after “serious legal issues” — widely believed to be related to non-disclosure of the full extent and knowledge of clerical sex abuse — arose between the bishops and Church & General regarding the entitlement of dioceses to indemnity. The diocesan policies, which were subject to strict financial limits and policy conditions, imposed an obligation on bishops to immediately remove priests from their duties if there were substantial grounds for believing that a priest would give rise to a claim.
      Was it Connell who stated that his time as Archbishop of Dublin was a ‘testing time’ due to the abuse revelations being made public?
      These abuses, covered up by the Church, occurred in the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s …. you get my drift. Why weren’t those abuses, committed in all those decades, a ‘testing’ time for the Church? Was the Church ‘rocked’ internally during any of those decades? Of course not! Because it kept these abuses hidden. It moved abusers to other pastures; and if they abused again they were moved again. In effect their silence insured stability.
      Methinks he played the ‘victim’ card for sympathy.
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    • e murrayTue 11:27 AM #
      Methinks you are dead on … the vile acts of prior decades seem to be forgotten cause they the church had so much power then they could cover up with impunity.
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    • jon-boy55Tue 12:16 PM #
      @Brian Lehane: rot in hell skum bag, hope cardinal brady follows close behind you
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    • If his belief system turns out to be correct he may spend eternity in hell!
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    • Tip TopTue 12:45 PM #
      And don’t forget the ‘mental reservation’, sickening.
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  • Andrew BrennanTue 11:09 AM #
    From the Murphy Report: The Commission considers that Archbishop Connell was slow to recognise the seriousness of the situation when he took over in 1988. He was over-reliant on advice from other people, including his auxiliary bishops and legal and medical experts. He was clearly personally appalled by the abuse but it took him some time to realise that it could not be dealt with by keeping it secret and protecting priests from the normal civil processes.
    It is the responsibility of the Archbishop to make decisions. It is entirely appropriate to take account of professional advice but the weight to be given to that advice is a matter for the Archbishop to decide. In spite of his knowledge of the recidivist nature of abusers such as Fr [Redacted]and Fr Carney, Archbishop Connell still allowed Fr Payne to continue in ministry when the complaint against him became known in 1991.
    The Commission recognises that the current structures and procedures were put in place by Archbishop Connell.
    On the evidence Archbishop Connell personally saw very few complainants. (His predecessors do not appear to have seen any). Of those he did see, some found him sympathetic and kind but with little understanding of the overall plight of victims. Others found him to be remote and aloof. On the other hand he did take an active interest in their civil litigation against the Archdiocese and personally approved the defences which were filed by the Archdiocese.
    Archdiocesan liability for injury and damage caused was never admitted. The Archbishop’s strategies in the civil cases, while legally acceptable, often added to the hurt and grief of many complainants.
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  • NoelTue 10:08 AM #
    He criticised Mary Robinson for taking communion in a Protestant cathedral,
    he criticised Bertie and Celia because they were not married.
    Wexford was part of his watch and when asked about the actions of a child abusing priest he said “I do not know enough about the case to comment”
    I will never forget the double standards.
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  • ktsiwotTue 9:33 AM #
    It is incredible he has made a cardinal in 2001 after all the child abuse issues were ared, it in itself is an excellent insight to the thoughts and actions of the highest levels of the church.
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  • Lynda O'DeaTue 9:26 AM #
    Not exactly a true holy man considering his treatment of abused children. Do as I say, not as I do.
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  • Tony DalyTue 10:07 AM #
    The welfare and interests of the institution of the Roman Catholic Church were vastly more important to the man than the interests and welfare of vulnerable children predated upon by various Roman Catholic priests.
    We decide on our own priorities.
    Our actions define us. Empty platitudes are just words.
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  • alphanauticaTue 9:19 AM #
    He’ll be finding out just about now whether his God Theory was correct
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  • And yet he never had a day in prison.
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    • He did not commit any crime, he was never charged or convicted with any crime. He was probably naive in his dealings with problem priests who all should have been handed over to the Gardai, but that was the way at that time. I am not backing him up by any means, just saying that things were badly handled all round.
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    • Brian FalTue 9:53 AM #
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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    • OU812Tue 9:53 AM #
      Aiding & assisting criminals is a criminal offence.
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    • Les BehanTue 10:07 AM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: “He was probably naive in his dealings with problem priests who all should have been handed over to the Gardai,”
      Horseshit! Eugene this is probably how you justify your continuing support for Fianna Fail “they were naive in the dealings” but it’s complete crap.
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    • Seán LynchTue 10:11 AM #
      I’d prefer to be in prison than work for a Roman cult who abuse children
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    • canuckandgoTue 10:22 AM #
      Naive Eugene? I’d hardly think he’d be naive having wormed his way up the hierarchy of these pond life..
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    • @Les Behan; what has Connell to do with FF. I must enquire if he was a member. He was an Idiot surely , but whether someone supports a political party is not the question here.
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    • Jamie RocheTue 10:40 AM #
      For evil deeds to be done, all it takes is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
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    • Les BehanTue 10:40 AM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: Don’t try and play silly buggers Eugene, you knew exactly what I meant but in case you are as thick as you are trying to claim, here it is again for you : You tried to make excuses for this paedophile enabler to justify your continuing support for the church, just as you find other ways to justify your continuing support for criminals that are Fianna Fail.
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    • Thomas McGillyTue 12:08 PM #
      Brian I completely agree. Cardinal Connell mishandled the evil that was reigned upon our children by priests under his charge. However, at that time, doing nothing was not a criminal offence. Did evil happen on his watch? Yes. Should he have done something constructive about it? Yes. Did he commit a criminal offence which justified a custodial sentence according to our laws? Not that we know of. Morality and law should not be confused!
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    • Eugene ComaskeyTue 12:12 PM #
      @Les Behan; The likes of you always twist things around to try and justify your point of view. Connell was off the ” old brigade” , probably was a bad choice for to be a Bishop not mind a Cardinal. You are probably one of those Communists that think everyone is wrong only the far lefties. If you have a criticism of him make it, but refrain from calling people criminals.
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    • Les BehanTue 12:40 PM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: What have I twisted exactly? You claimed O’Connell was “naive” and “part of the old brigade”when the rest of us know he covered up abuse of children to protect the church. Then I made the connection that if you can blantely ignore certain facts regarding the criminal behaviour of O’Connell, then that would go some way to explaining how you are able ignore certain facts in relation to Fianna Fail as you still support and defend them.
      So not only do you make excuses for criminals, political and clerical, you also take offence to the word “criminal” being used in this proper context. That tells me a great deal about you Eugene and it isn’t good!
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    • Les BehanTue 12:44 PM #
      @Thomas McGilly: “However, at that time, doing nothing was not a criminal offence.”
      WIthholding information of a criminal act “IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE!”. The mental gymnastics you people try to do is quite worrying.
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    • @Les Behan. Of course you twisted things, didn’t you bring FF into it. If we were discussing FF would you bring Connell into it. If you have learned a great deal about me that’s not good, then I must have done far better than I taught, fighting against the leftie,communist, atheist shower that are out there. Just tos, I’m not religious at all, but I am a Christian. Honestly, I don’t think you’re worth arguing with.
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    • Les BehanTue 1:30 PM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: “leftie,communist, atheist”
      I am none of those things and you still defend and support criminality. Child abuse and political corruption, you’re a sick man Eugene seek help!
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    • Thomas McGillyTue 2:48 PM #
      Les, Let’s be clear about one thing here. I am not in any way, shape or form defending Cardinal Connell. I find what he did, what he didn’t do and the damage it caused abhorrent, disgusting and vile. It was wrong. Plain and simple. However what is wrong and what is illegal are not the same. There was no mandatory reporting of child abuse in the 1980s, the 1990s or even the 2000s. In fact, that is only a very recent legal requirement. It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s the law. Whether the law is moral or not is another argument.
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    • Les BehanTue 3:55 PM #
      @Thomas McGilly: “There was no mandatory reporting of child abuse in the 1980s, the 1990s or even the 2000s.”
      So an institution that claims the monopoly on morality doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong unless it’s enshrined in law?
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    • Thomas McGillyTue 4:05 PM #
      Les, Are you deliberately missing the point here? Whether or not Connell or the Church knew the rights or wrongs of the matter is not what I’m discussing here. There is no discussion on the matter. It was and is wrong. I’m saying that according to the law of the day and what was the law until a very recent change, Connell did something immoral but not illegal and therefore could not serve jail time as a previous comment stated he should.
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  • the truthTue 10:11 AM #
    his treatment of Marie collins was absolutely disgraceful horrible character horrible organisation.
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  • the truthTue 10:42 AM #
    brendan smyth will be waiting for him to thank him for not stopping him enjoying himself in the 70s when he could have two Princes of the church together.
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  • Paul LaneTue 1:38 PM #
    I drafted the original Church & General liability policy for the Dublin diocese in the first week of April 1987. The Premiun was £510.00 (including a 2% Government levy). The Murphy report states that the premium was £515.00, which includes a 3% Government levy, which was impossible as the levy was only increased from 2% to 3% in the early 1990’s. This leads me to suspect that Mr C. Lost the original policy as I was asked to destroy all copies except for the front schedule. Archbishop house in Dublin ran the representatives from the Church & General so I was asked to draft the policy in secrecy to appease re-insurers. I hand typed the policy on a typewriter and not into a PC and destroyed all evidence except for the top copy which was obviously lost. What was produced for Murphy was an inaccuate reproduction as proved by the wrong levy being applied to the premium.
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  • Niall WatersTue 9:50 AM #
    2017 is already shaping up a lot better than 2016.
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  • Daisy DaisyTue 9:23 AM #
    Couldn’t avoid the fiery afterlife any longer.
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  • Matt DonovanTue 9:30 AM #
    He’s in for a phukking shock now! Good enough for the…
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  • Jamie RocheTue 10:36 AM #
    Good. Won’t be missed. Cover up merchant.
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  • JJ O RiordanTue 2:22 PM #
    Who’s going to cover the abuse up now
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  • Irish RedTue 11:25 AM #
    And he’ll probably have a big ceremonial funeral too, where they won’t even mention his serious failings as a bishop and a human being.
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  • He led a Church that covered up the worst crimes never mind sins against the smallest and most vulnerable, from sexual abuse of minors to enslavement of ”fallen” women to ignoring the most vulnerable, such as Ann Lovett. I use the word ”Church” in its widest and truest sense, covering not only the hierarchy but each and every lay-member who ever turned a blind eye, and the State, which is at the last Her People, which and who also benefited, and colluded, in these monstrosities.
    J’accuse not only Cardinal Connell, but every single one of his fellow clerics, and every single layperson who ever called themselves a Catholic while making like three monkeys when the dogs in the street knew what was going on. Brendan Smyth preyed on the children in the area I grew up in. It was widely known what he was at. I recall a man in 1984 having hysterics and wanting to go burn Killnacrott to the ground after Smyth had r aped his child. He was restrained from doing so by his friends in a local pub. I knew Ann Lovett, she was in our local school, and in the September of the year before she died I heard two intercert students going out the gate whispering to each other ”Did you hear Ann Lovett’s pregnant?”. She must only have been in her first trimester then, and she was by then also living forty miles away in Granard.
    It’s all of a piece. Christ-And-Caesar hand-in-glove of moral cowardice. As Michael Davitt said it’s one of the twin curses of Ireland, and shows itself in every single aspect of every single mess we find ourselves in.
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  • Mary WebbTue 11:12 AM #
    I heard in RTÉ this morning that he was appointed to the role of archbishop and was formerly an academic. . He didn’t apply. Funny way to run an organisation . You might have success in a role if you thought yourself suitable and applied, but to be just told ” this is your next job” ; flawed
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  • He was a true head in the sand old boy… Ireland is a brighter place today with him not here
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  • RMTue 11:00 AM #
    “Former Archbishop of Dublin Desmond Connell dies aged 90″
    Good.
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  • Somebody deleted my comment but here goes again! I hope it was an extremely painful illness and death. A vile vile piece of filth which is insulting to a piece of filth
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  • William RuaneTue 8:50 PM #
    Good riddance, may he rot, vile man.
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  • Joseph DempseyTue 10:53 AM #
    Might clear the way for Archbishop Martin to be elevated to Cardinal, long over due for a Bishop who shows Genuine compassion and not afraid to speak up.
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  • Al S MacthomaisWed 12:24 AM #
    Catholic Church and the ilk that produced Archbishop Desmond Connell came from the world of John Charles McQuaid School of control and distain for anybody that was not part of the powerful, influential or wealthy sections in Irish society. The Irish political and judiciary and cultural elements of Irish society abdicated their responsibility to their fellow Irish citizens and continues today with regards to health, education is nothing new as we see with the current wasters in Dail Eireann. Irish education and Health services were given over freely to a foreign a foreign state called the Vatican and its various religious bodies control of Irish society is still been felt today. Newly established Irish Free state abandoned its citizens educational and health to foreign control under a religious dogma having overall control of one of the states most important assets its children and future parents. Irish Free State was established with the Free State under Articles 47,48 and 50 of the Free State constitution the powers of Direct Democracy like Switzerland in the hands of the ordinary citizens. Irish political class and the Catholic Church didn’t not like the idea of the ordinary person having a whip hand over their decisions to be dictated to so changed the constitution in 1937 to suit their needs and we have seen the continued failure of such a decision with various mass poverty, emigration and a backward society that resembles place like the religious backwaters of the muslim world today. Various state reports on industrial schools and the child abuse and trafficking of unwed Mothers babies children to wealthy people both in Ireland and abroad with the support of the Irish State. Various reports on abuse where nothing in reality was done even to this day. Archbishop O Connell was the cardinal with Ratzinger later Pope Benny the 16th controlled all the information with regards to worldwide cleric sexual abuse was covered up with O Connell support. The Berite Ahern stating we didn’t have the money to run the education during the Celtic Tiger boom shows up the political class as the abject failures. Sooner all religious influences are removed form this country we will be having this discussion for many more years. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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  • He put his organisation and his own career within it above the safety and protection of children. “What you unto the least of these, you do unto me.”
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  • Jason MaguireTue 10:42 AM #
    Some paedo deleted my comment.
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  • Paul LaneTue 12:27 PM #
    He was totally out of his depth
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  • John NaghtenWed 10:32 AM #
    Hope he rots in hell.